Due to the inordinately non-existent budget for interviews I didn't fly Dan Zarrella over from the states to interview, instead I plumped for a juicy, all-you-can-eat expose (ish!) email interview for you, the pretty people. Dan is a VEEEEERY smart cookie when it comes to analytics and social media. He thinks about differently to most I have met (although we have actually never met) and, like me, loves a bit of Psychology. Full bio here but suffice to say he's involved with more social media shenanigans than there have been series of Big Brother.
From creating apps, completing research, blogging and writing for outlets with slightly more traffic than this one (like Mashable, ReadWriteWeb, ProBlogger etc.) Zarrella would whoop you blind in a social media geek-out.
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You call yourself ‘a social & viral marketing
scientist’ – what does that mean and why do you approach it in that way?
I like
to approach social and viral marketing from an analytical perspective. I think
there is an abundance of "truthiness" in this space, what I like to
call "unicorns, rainbow and soft-focus" advice. Rather than say what
feels right, or what I think should be true, I like to look at actual data, experiments
and science to understand what is really true. Word-of-mouth, social, viral
communications have been occurring for thousands of years between people and
while the internet changes how these mechanisms works, and while it certainly
accelerates them, the most important effect the web has is to make them
observable and measureable in ways never before possible.
What’s the main point(s) PR pros still
aren’t getting about social media?
Its
not about being sunshine and rainbows all the time. If you ever find yourself
thinking that your "brand" is just to be uncontroversial and
unchallenging, you need to re-think your positioning. You can't be everything
to everyone, to really reach some people you need to piss some people off. Pick
sides.
TweetPsych builds a mini psychological
profile of Twitter users – is profiling the next big thing for social media or
is it something else?
I'm not sure that profiling per-say is the future, but I do think that deeper
analysis is going to be very important moving forward. There is a wealth of
information to be studied about consumers and their behavior, and this
information comes from analysis of content users are putting out there
themselves. Its like behavioral targeting without the privacy concerns.
Three tips you’ve never given anyone
else about social media / pr / pros.
1)
Hug the haters. I get some criticism sometimes for calling myself a
"scientist" and rather than back down and stop doing that, for April
fools day I launched IVMS (http://ivms.danzarrella.com).
I doubled down on the label and laughed at all the possible attacks against it.
2) If someone is giving you advice or defining strategy or tactics, ask them
what data they're working from. If they don't answer, or give you some
hand-waving about "experience" run the other way.
3) Learn to code. You don't have to be a super-programmer, but if you're
working on the web or in technology and you can't even speak the languages a
little bit, you're doing yourself a disservice.
What are your top tools for pr pros when
it comes to monitoring?
Honestly
I do most of my monitoring by hand, the occasional Google search and several
always-open Tweetdeck tabs. I've heard great things about Radian6's product and
the company I work for, HubSpot, just added social media monitoring
functionality to our product.
Web 3.0 and the semantic web are being
bantered about – what’s your take – what is next to come in?
Semantic
web technologies will clearly be very important as will the ubiquitous web
where all of your devices are plugged into the net. For web marketing I think
the future will hold much more analytical approaches to our work, understanding
human behavior and how to manipulate it.